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如果開澳門開一個web/software developer的centre其實有無可能?

2011-12-27 18:49:25
  • 簡介一下:

    我本身係澳門人, 但現在晌澳洲做野, 我老細最近有D興趣offshore攪個development centre, (就是我地晌澳洲/歐洲接到的job放返尼亞洲地區做LA)... 雖然可以outsource出尼比人bid, 但如果完全自己有control都不失為一個可行的solution.

    現在就考慮緊會唔會trial呢個idea (其實我老細好似好有興趣, 我自己就觀望態度 =.=)........

    其實呢度會唔會有人有興趣? OR 覺得呢個idea可唔可行

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  • FatBoy1660 2011-12-27 20:18:06
    2#

    咁我諗你可能只可能放喺大陸或者India,依家喺港澳請一個有少少料的developer絕對唔平囉.現在港澳地區好多做development的公司喺大陸都有佢地自己的dev team,因為人工平加容易請人.而佢地港澳呢邊的head office就主要做翻support同sale.

  • Pakpak 2011-12-28 13:49:10
    3#

    咁其實, 你覺得港澳的price range 大約會點? (其實我都係想知個數字, 同老細算係有個交代吧)

    我地其實唔係做R&D, 只係純粹接job尼做, main target主要都係 international non-profit and inter-government 的job

    my boss always said $$ is not really a big deal if it's the right person (although i always reply him "really?")...

    actually, we have got some partner firms in india to do some low-cost development already.... so this one is likely to be a mid level offering, where a person can understand how we do business and complete the site independently. maybe.... still not too sure what he has in mind yet....

  • Orange 2011-12-28 14:59:31
    4#

    可以呀,澳門同香港既優勢係背靠祖國,而且你既目的都係要搵明白你地要求,幫到你完成工作既管理人。

  • FatBoy1660 2011-12-28 16:00:20
    5#

    回覆 #3 Pakpak 的帖子

    澳門現在一般普通做R&D的公司,我覺得大概喺呢個價囉.
    完全無exp的IT人都差唔多要10k咗右,
    Engin級個d起碼要15k以上囉
    PM 要20k以上
    Site Manager無30k以上你好難請到個真喺做到野既囉,睇下你個Site幾大囉,如果幾個人都okay既

    香港人工大概會比澳門多1/3左右囉

  • Pakpak 2011-12-29 08:17:14
    6#

    原帖由 FatBoy1660 於 2011-12-28 18:00 發表
    澳門現在一般普通做R&D的公司,我覺得大概喺呢個價囉.
    完全無exp的IT人都差唔多要10k咗右,
    Engin級個d起碼要15k以上囉
    PM 要20k以上
    Site Manager無30k以上你好難請到個真喺做到野既囉,睇下你個Site幾大囉,如果幾 ...


    oh... then it's still much better than the initial impression you gave me, anything related to PM or billing or accounts will still be done locally (at least during the trial), by the person who's local to the client (which would be the PM in australia or our business solution manager in swiss for europe)....

    my boss don't like big team at all. he has his own ideal team setup is between 10 to 12 ppl per location. he want to have multiple locations with very small team instead of a big team in a single location.

  • Pakpak 2011-12-29 08:20:53
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    原帖由 Orange 於 2011-12-28 16:59 發表
    可以呀,澳門同香港既優勢係背靠祖國,而且你既目的都係要搵明白你地要求,幫到你完成工作既管理人。


    yeah XD..

    actually, i guess we are looking for tech guy initially, all the PM will be done in australia anyway.

    however, we call them analyst anyway, because we need them to understand clients' business to give quotes (cost estimate, to be exact) - we generally form a very small and mobile team to get a project done instead of a big team.

  • Orange 2011-12-29 09:35:28
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    原帖由 <i>FatBoy1660</i> 於 2011-12-28 16:00 發表
    澳門現在一般普通做R&D的公司,我覺得大概喺呢個價囉.
    完全無exp的IT人都差唔多要10k咗右,
    Engin級個d起碼要15k以上囉
    PM 要20k以上
    Site Manager無30k以上你好難請到個真喺做到野既囉,睇下你個Site幾大囉,如果幾 ...


    價係咁上下,之但係請唔請到人係另一回事

  • Orange 2011-12-29 09:56:05
    9#

    原帖由 <i>Pakpak</i> 於 2011-12-29 08:20 發表
    yeah XD..
    actually, i guess we are looking for tech guy initially, all the PM will be done in australia anyway.
    however, we call them analyst anyway, because we need them to understand clients' bu ...

    異地管技術員,難在管理上,溝通都好大問題,真係咁簡單幾封email,打個電話就understood?

  • allonxp 2011-12-29 15:03:17
    10#

    如果真的開發程式的話... 在澳門真的好難做得起....  無論人才或中心位置都唔夠香港好...   更不及大陸....
    如果管理和維護的話...  澳門還有機會的....

  • FatBoy1660 2011-12-29 23:08:08
    11#

    回覆 #6 Pakpak 的帖子

    咁你唔請M,到時唔驚無掩雞籠,群魔亂舞都無人知.

  • leonforwork 2012-1-16 17:03:53
    12#

    你老細熟悉IT這行?你們如何保證兩地的溝通暢順?你們如何管理亞洲這邊的團隊?

  • Pakpak 2012-1-16 19:27:54
    13#

    XD 謝謝各位大大的意見... 很幸運 / 不幸地, 我老細的確係好有興趣想攪 =.= 甚至係已經想開始攪了...... 佢定的目標係 4月尾開始想個developer center start to operate, 年底前可以build up 到15人的team (ideally).

    re. leonforwork
    我老細係熟IT的, 佢親手setup間company, 一開始的時候所有的development都係佢自己落手做的.

    管理方面, 初期應該會係either我同我老細兩個人管理返 (反正我晌澳門同澳洲都一樣可以work.....) 我會幾個月澳門, 幾個月澳洲咁來來回回...... 佢就間唔中LA, 佢亦考慮緊可能會安排staff exchange (to build up bonding)........

    基本上我地唔會接任何中國/澳門/香港的jobs ga, 主要係做返我地晌澳洲或者歐洲接返尼的project, (project有 United nation, british council等的government works, 亦有Melbourne zoo的半government類, 亦有global poverty project呢類non-profit的, ....... )

    至於我地想要乜野類型的staff =.= 我同我老細仲考慮緊.............
    我下星期會返澳門, 我老細過多兩個weeks都諗住過尼澳門多一次 (佢係澳洲人, 鬼佬來的)
    如果你地有人有興趣 or 有朋友想搵programming類的工的話, 到時可以約出尼見下面, 傾傾.

  • a-spec 2012-1-17 03:16:22
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    Pakpak 發表於 2012-1-16 19:27
    XD 謝謝各位大大的意見... 很幸運 / 不幸地, 我老細的確係好有興趣想攪 =.= 甚至係已經想開始攪了...... 佢 ...

    我o係美國做, 以前做過既公司都好多out-sourcing經驗, 呢邊做IT既主流想法係, 判俾大陸做就好多野都要自己in-house team執手尾, 甩甩漏漏都幾多, 不過起碼有野交, 溝通加強少少, 你勤少少催下佢地就得. 判俾印度就真係好多project都爛尾, 而且係拖好耐, 阿差吹水唔抹咀出晒名, 你俾埋plan叫佢地跟住做佢地都做到不知所謂, 佢地好多時會特登揀個最複雜離譜既solution, 就美其名吹水話係state-of-art, 不停咁幫你加d無謂野搞到有咁亂得咁亂, 等你想自己跟番都唔得, 個project本來諗住一年搞掂, 好多時咁俾佢地搞到兩三年都埋唔到尾, 佢地就係靠呢d鬼鼠野黎保障自己既job security. 至於點解印度口碑咁差都仲接到job呢? 就係因為呢邊做野既阿差面皮好厚鍾意關照自己鄉里.

    至於o係澳門開個dev center, 我覺得起碼要培養十年八年先搞得掂. 有學歷有經驗既都o係賭場做, 而且好多所謂既賭場IT人都唔係做番自己讀書o個陣學既野, 而且佢地d經驗對你黎講唔一定有用, 就算你有錢o係賭場撬人, 佢地都唔一定比fresh grad好得幾多.

    你諗住自己帶隊真係要做好心理準備, 請班騎呢怪番黎真係做都做死你. 如果係咪都諗住請班人番黎要train一輪, 不如直接同大學傾, 好似香港公司咁搵班ive仔笨實又好, 或者有d良心係咁意俾番少少人工班大學生做intern/temp, 真係做到野既咪轉做full-time/perm囉, 不過起碼要幾年先有班人可以自己顧掂自己, 唔洗你睇住, 記住澳門做dev可以話係空白, 完全冇競爭力可言, 人工又唔係平, 不過澳門政府係有多少資助既, 你計完條數覺得ok時間上又有彈性既話咪試下囉, 如果要即刻開工既話都係去香港比較實際.

  • leonforwork 2012-1-17 11:51:47
    15#

    只要是熟行的就有机会,剩余的就是沟通和管理。祝一切顺利。

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